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shanew
05-03-2015, 05:01 AM
hi all I am trying to find out if this prop could have come from a avro 504 in 1921
and thanks

Dave
05-03-2015, 07:41 AM
There's really no way to tell, except that of the many props I've seen that were fitted to AVRO 504s I don't recall any that had such sharply pointed tips and metal sheathing like that. That doesn't mean that they didn't exist, though.

Here is a "typical" looking AVRO prop (http://woodenpropeller.com/AVRO504.html).

shanew
05-03-2015, 08:03 AM
thanks dave I am trying to unravel a puzzle it has some carving saying it was g-aubq cowra cks now there was a plain crash in 1921 at cowra nsw Australia and it was Charles kingsford smith so I am thinking this was the part of the prop this is the link to the story http://www.cowratourism.com.au/Experience_Cowra/History/Kingsford_Smith_Flight/ so just check what the props looked like

Bob Gardner
05-03-2015, 04:57 PM
The Registration Letters G-AUBQ are from an Avro 504 owned by Quantas
c1920.

Bob

shanew
05-04-2015, 05:00 AM
The Registration Letters G-AUBQ are from an Avro 504 owned by Quantas
c1920.

Bob

this link says other wise
http://www.edcoatescollection.com/ac1/austu/G-AUBQ.html

a second link
John Hopton Posted on 17 Jan 2012 6:02 PM


THIS Roe Dyak-504 is G-AUBG then owned by Q.A.N.T.A.S., Ltd. : the image is recorded POST 28 June 1921 when the registration-letters were issued to Q.A.N.T.A.S. : NOTE - the Dyak-504 "G-AUBQ" did NOT carry those markings, as it was crashed by one C.E.Kingsford Smith near Cowra, N.S.W. on 18 July 1921 before the letters had been applied
did NOT


http://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/items/766883/negative-qantas-avro-504-aircraft-queensland-circa-1921?createComment=True

Dave
05-04-2015, 08:17 AM
Can you post a photo of the entire prop, including the lettering? So far all we have is the tip of a propeller that doesn't look like the "typical" shape of a prop for an AVRO 504 used during WW1. On the other hand, I'd have to look through some other material to see if the Sunbeam Dyak engine used a completely different style of propeller, which is certainly possible.

A quick search of Google images came up with this photo (https://www.google.com/search?q=sunbeam+dyak+engine&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=gVVHVd-oI4SqgwTyxIGwBQ&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg&biw=1093&bih=534#imgrc=VmpXpyPvIrMBkM%253A%3BwbrE6YXRA4qCCM %3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fi645.photobucket.com%252Falb ums%252Fuu174%252Fbabycow_photos%252FIMG_0050.jpg% 3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fbmwsporttouring.com%252Fubbth reads%252Fubbthreads.php%253Fubb%253Dshowflat%2526 Number%253D708323%3B1023%3B764) of an AVRO 504 with the Sunbeam Dyak engine, and that propeller has the very rounded tips.

Also note that this replica (http://www.grubby-fingers-aircraft-illustration.com/avro_504K.html) of that exact aircraft also has a prop with rounded tips.

pmdec
05-04-2015, 08:26 AM
Hi,

Anybody can carve something on a propeller, it doesn't "prove" anything.
Only markings can be a lead, and only a lead, because false markings do exist!
The shape of the prop (and the look of the sheating also) seems a bit early for 1921. Somebody could have the idea to make this kind of shape years earlier than anybody else: it's just unliky.

Regards,
PM

shanew
05-04-2015, 09:21 AM
mate its only part of a prop

shanew
05-04-2015, 09:24 AM
mate its only part of a prop

its about 600 long and has scratched in it why I don't know who I don't know were I don't know I know there was a crash in cowra and I know the plain type the rest is up to you guys to help

shanew
05-04-2015, 09:32 AM
this is the closest I can find and its here in your site same brass work http://woodenpropeller.com/forumvB/showthread.php?t=11
or http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-aircraft-ground-crew-starting-the-engine-of-an-avro-tutor-biplane-64025767.html and one more link
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/19619/lot/322/

Dave
05-04-2015, 08:51 PM
Those photos help support a theory that your prop may have been on an AVRO.

The problem comes when someone demands proof of provenance for an item like this. There are many examples where the claims surrounding an item are totally fabricated, so buyers are always suspicious of that fact.

shanew
05-04-2015, 10:37 PM
Those photos help support a theory that your prop may have been on an AVRO.

The problem comes when someone demands proof of provenance for an item like this. There are many examples where the claims surrounding an item are totally fabricated, so buyers are always suspicious of that fact.

thanks dave I do agree with you t..his is why I am doing so much home work on the item its one of many that came . I have a whole lot of items they are said to come from kingsford smiths sisters house on the central coast saratonga in nsw in the 80s books maps records wedding pictures ... looks to be his mums history diary WORK IN PROGRESSTHAT ONE it has Catherine mary kingsford on the front but its wearing off the label it starts of talking about history of bow street runners and highwaymen so you see I have a long way to go .. manuals on parts and and his flying jacket and boots and a old school bag full of stuff so I have a long quest before me about 8 different signatured items a broadcast record of his communications in the flight well anyway she must have saved lots of his stuff from the day .... lots of stuff the jacket well its in getting restores its leather and cracking and a old leather worker is rubbing some neatsfoot and creams to repair it ............ well I thought this prop would be a good place to start my investigations